16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762496 0 Cy 2026-05-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=-34200&l=en 260521-0 C 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762506 1 En 2026-05-21T09:33:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=182&l=en 260521-0 C 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762507 2 En 2026-05-21T09:33:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=183&l=en 260521-0 C 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762508 3 Cy 2026-05-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=-34200&l=en 260521-0 C 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762509 4 Cy 260521-0 I The proceedings are reported in the language in which they were spoken in the committee. In addition, a transcription of the simultaneous interpretation is included. Where contributors have supplied corrections to their evidence, these are noted in the transcript. 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762497 5 Cy 260521-0 I The committee met in the Senedd and by video-conference. The meeting began at 09:30. 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762499 6 Cy 2026-05-21T09:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=0&l=en 260521-1 1. Introductions, apologies and substitutions C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 The Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Good morning. Welcome to you all. 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762500 7 En 2026-05-21T09:30:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=3&l=en 260521-1 1. Introductions, apologies and substitutions C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 The Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw I welcome everybody here to this, the first meeting of the Business Committee—you're all very welcome indeed. I'd particularly like to welcome Heledd Fychan, Llŷr Powell, Lynne Neagle and Paul Davies as members of the Business Committee, but also, online, we have Jane Dodds—you're very welcome indeed, Jane—and Anthony Slaughter and Paul Rock are here with us today, who are entitled to attend in accordance with Standing Order 11.5(iii). We also have with us today—delighted to have as well—the new Dirprwy Lywydd with us today. Just a few brief comments right at the start of proceedings here of this very important committee that manages the business—we come together to manage the business—of the Senedd. I want to begin just by setting out my expectations, which I think we all share as well, of Members in, around, about and outside of the Chamber, because I know I can draw on your support then, as business managers and colleagues, to uphold these expectations, and I think they're expectations from the public as well, the way they would expect us to proceed there. So, it's my expectation, and I think it's all of our expectations, that Members will be able to conduct themselves in a way that reflects the dignity of the Senedd, whether in the Chamber or in committees, in formal proceedings or indeed outside of the Chamber in their role as MSs in things such as social media as well. We'll not always agree—that's undoubtedly going to be true—and nor should we, but we should be able to disagree robustly, but yet still treat each other with respect. I think the public would expect that of us; their expectations are high of this Senedd, and their expectations are high of every single Member, ourselves included. So, I'm sure we can all play our part, as business managers and good colleagues here, to make sure that those standards are upheld. So, in saying those brief words of welcome at the very outset, and the expectations that we have of the Senedd proceedings, we have no apologies today, which is a great way to start as well. So, can I then move to item No. 2?  16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762502 8 Cy 260521-2 2. Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting and any future meetings where matters relating to the internal business of the committee, or of the Senedd will be discussed I Motion: that the committee resolves to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting and any future meetings where matters relating to the internal business of the committee, or of the Senedd will be discussed, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42(ix). 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762503 9 Cy 260521-2 2. Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting and any future meetings where matters relating to the internal business of the committee, or of the Senedd will be discussed I Motion moved. 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762504 10 En 2026-05-21T09:32:30 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16043?startPos=150&l=en 260521-2 2. Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting and any future meetings where matters relating to the internal business of the committee, or of the Senedd will be discussed C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 The Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw So, as noted on the agenda, I would like to invite our business managers here today to agree to resolve to meet in private for the remainder of the meeting and any subsequent meetings that the committee deems necessary, so that we can discuss the internal business of the committee and of the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42(i)—nine, sorry, nine; 17.42(ix). Are you happy that we move into private session? We are. Thank you very much. We will now move into private session and our clerk will tell us when we are in private. 16043 7 2026-05-21T09:30:00 762505 11 Cy 260521-2 2. Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting and any future meetings where matters relating to the internal business of the committee, or of the Senedd will be discussed I Motion agreed. The public part of the meeting ended at 09:33.